Szigorú hangvételű szerkesztőségi cikkben foglalkozik Orbán Viktor és a magyar kormány migrációs politikájával a brit Guardian. A The Guardian view on Hungary and the refugee crisis: Orbán the awful című írásban nem fukarkodnak a kemény megállapításokkal és felszólításokkal: Orbán rettenetes, a rendszere rothadt, egész Európának fel kell lépnie ellene, az EU-s intézményeknek is számon kell kérnie rajta az európai értékeket.
Korábban is foglalkoztunk már vele, mit gondolnak a baloldali-liberális lap kommentelői egy magyar vonatkozású cikket (ahogy német és osztrák reakciókból is készítettünk összeállítást), most is átfutottuk a hozzászólásokat, majd kigyűjtöttük azokat, amik legalább 15 szavazatot kaptak. A kommenteket angolul közöljük, hogy mindenki eredetiben olvashassa, mit gondolnak a t. hozzászólók (a profillinkek segítségével a szerzők korábbi megnyilvánulásai is olvashatók). Az összeállítás nem reprezentálja sem a lap olvasóit, sem a teljes brit közönséget, leginkább az utca emberével készült villáminterjúkhoz hasonlítható.
Egyetlen véleményt emelnék ki, a román Dan Voiculescu-ét, mivel a korábbi kommentjei alapján se a magyarokat, se Orbánt nem szívleli különösebben egyébként:
Is this article a joke? Violating international borders, breaking numerous laws and treaties by well dressed people with smartphones and money on them is considered a joke? Law and order, anyone???? Orban has his faults, but in this matter he is the only realist because he does not need to look at the polls to have a reaction: hungarians are orbanised!
És akkor jöjjön a többi 15+-os:
Hungary are the only E U Country actually trying to implement the E U 's own Laws ........
and yet scorn is poured onto them by the usual suspects ...............
Well done Hungary ...You have many , many ...supporters ....
At least one leader knows how to protect his people.
Orban is a distasteful pugnacious authoritarian, however, the fanatically blinkered liberals (mostly on the left but also some on the right), who believe in abolishing all nations and borders, have made his actions look wise and respectable. Well done!
I am not a fan or Orban. However not enforcing immigration- or asylum-laws at all in Europe is a recipe for disaster. And we need some dissenting voices on this.
The EU is to democracy & national stability what cancer is to good health.
Europe is now sick. Very sick indeed
Come the referendum for God's sake vote OUT
Libya, Syria, Hungary...
When ever a national newspaper starts putting out the call for "regime change", I start to get a little antsy now, and start to question what the real motivation is. Remove someone who is disagreeing with "the EU plan"? Removing a figure who supports Putin? Perhaps removing the impediment that is preventing an even larger flow of migrants into Europe?
Hi Guardian, please stop the Orban bashing. Tell your PM to put hands off Syria instead.
The wars in Syria and Ukraine were started by the US with the help of UK.
The refugees are running to Germany via Hungary, not to anti-Arab satan.
Germany likes the migrant influx, Hungary doesn't. Give everyone what they like.
If no refugees are coming to US and UK for various reasons, that doesn't mean you have the right to judge the countries that deal with this exceptional situation.
You make the war, we make the payment. You got what you wanted.
Regards from Berlin
So when Hungary tries to follow the rules , established by the entire EU in the Dublin agreement, media 'experts' have the nerve to resort to name calling.
And by the way, who made Angela Merkel queen of the EU?? Why is her view given priominance and reported 10 times more than others?
The queen is not as generous or as honest as you media folks assume. She sa d all those immigrants from the Balkans will be sent back. Well, look on EUROSTAT website for asylum seekers 2015 and you'll find what she didn't say, in a report dated June, that for the first quarter 2015, 40% of all migrants were from Kosovo. And that in 2014, Germany grnted 44,000 migrants refugee status and rights but rejected 158,000. What's gonna happen to generous queen Merkel's 800,000????
I thought the Hungarian authorities had intended to process them properly for their refugee status
If you are not committed to a refugee family into your home for an indefinite period, then you merely demanding that the tax payer should pick up the bill and absorb these numbers without putting intolerable strain on national infrastructure, housing, health and welfare systems so that you can experience a self-righteous glow.
Once landed they should be checked, genuine, desperate refugees wouldn’t confront the police, threaten and chant orchestrated slogans to leave one peaceful country for a richer country. As to what those angry, confident and forceful young men actually are, who abandoned their children and family behind, I’ll leave to the future headlines and our children to face a new controlled world.
To those who condemn reasonable calls for controlled borders as bigotry, hatred and intolerance, don’t pretend you’re doing a good and generous thing, when you’re are a hypocrite when there are 3000 homeless, nearly 2 million families on the UK housing waiting list, millions are unemployed and on the poverty line.
Don’t the British citizen count and be housed first whilst Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain are not supporting their fellow bothers, the solution is for both the ME and the Western world to work together for improved camps in safe ME zones and to then remove the source for the refugees to then rebuild their lives in the homeland again.
Anyone who says it’s the UK/EU fault, was the decision to invade Iraq or start the Arab spring yours, no!, this was the elite, any common-sense person should not be bullied to feel guilty for controlled borders and instead let thousands of economic migrants into the UK when Blair already opened the door to mass immigration, where we have to adapt to the minority, when they should be adapting to our culture, our laws.
Sure really moral of you to ignore UK's poor, homeless and those who have no chance in hell of ever finding work to then welcome hundred thousands adding even more issues like Rotherham, keep following your magnanimous immoral hypocrisy.
Those evil Hungarians, actually doing what their electorate want.
(meanwhile, the Saudis build a 900km fence on the Iraqi border ... *crickets* ....)
Who writes this guff? Orban democratically elected, is sticking up for Western Europe as he is perfectly entitled to do.
Hungary is in breach of the founding principles of the European Union, as well as the UN Declaration of human rights - one of the most important documents ever signed in human history - which enshrines the right of refugees from war and persecution to seek asylum in other countries. Hungary is signatory to that Declaration.
Frankly, we should should be asking if Hungary should continue to be part of the EU...and the matter ought to be raised at the UN.
I believe Mr Orbán has said what the silent majority in the whole of Europe think. And as the recent elections here in the UK show, the silent majority is bigger than you probably imagine.
In other circumstances I think many people would not appreciate Orbán at all but on this particular subject, they will, and they do.
He's a leader defending the cultural integrity and security of his country and that's what all leaders should be doing. It is what they are meant to do. Columnists seem to think it is a right of migrants/refugees to go to any country they like and be accepted, but it's not. Hungary has every right to accept or refuse who they wish from outside the EU zone.
He's a 'bulwark' alright and the label seems rather apt when watching migrants flow through Hungary to Vienna and beyond.
The Guardian does not need to give us their "view" on this. they have made it only too obvious this week that they are determined to make the Hungarians into the villains of this drama and will tell any lie to fit that narrative.
"Refugees have been told that they are at last to be transported further west, only to discover with despair that they are instead being taken to a makeshift camp for registration"
This is a total lie. The now infamous train had its Hungarian destination clearly displayed on every door. There were many, many station announcements in English, that it was not an international train, but a local one. The Hungarian police spent three hours trying to convince the refugees that the train was not going to Germany and asking then to get off. but they were not believed.
The next day the Guardian reported that the Hungarian police "tricked the refugees into taking the train by telling them it was going to Germany"!
You have been widely criticised for this lie, but you just keep repeating it. What the hell happened to "facts are sacred"??
What are these mythical EU values?
Let's see what the leaders of the others EU countries will say when the refugees occupy their cities and paralyse normal life of local people.
I would vote for Orban. Can the guardian get him over here please.
Why can't we have a PM like Orban?
And not a testicle-free zone like our own politicos?
Germany should take as many refugees as it wants, that's their perogative. But it shouldn't dictate to other countries how many they should take, especially the poorer ones. Hungary has a strong cultural identity and wants to protect it. What's wrong with that, at least they are being honest. They are worried about the effect people from completely different cultures will have on their society, what's wrong with that? When going to Muslim countries, or any country for that matter, women are expected to dress as they do, people may be expected not to consume alcohol and by and large follow those dictats (or face very severe punishments) Yes, I know not all Syrians are Muslim and yes, Western politicians should have left the nasty dictators in place to keep the people in order but that is not the fault of the majority of the citizens of the countries refugees want to go to. It is those ordinary people who have live there since birth and value their own way of life, traditions and cultural norms and not the politicians who at their own behest are inviting huge numbers of people in to their country.
Austria just closed its borders to Hungary and so to the influx. Hungary was just doing its job under EU laws. And now Austria is acknowledging that the influx has to be stopped at the point of entry to Austria, and guess where? at the border with Hungary. So whatever one thinks of the leader of Hungary, this aspect of the facts is what EU demands by law and was being observed at great cost and effort and blame to a small country overrun with illegal entrants of who a small portion are genuine asylum candidates, thanks to Merkels' unthought through invitation to all Syrians to arrive illegally in Germany.
And the Guardian should report the facts that only a small percentage of the influx are refugees, the rest, ie 80% are illegal entrants from all over the world who are making a mockery of all international border crossing laws, national security concerns, public safety, and the rights of all sovereign nations to decide who can enter their nation in the interests of their own citizens.
This misleading reporting from the Guardian is what adds up to huge rises in the support for Neo Nazi politcians and groups and that is where voters go when they are hear news in this unbalanced and lopsided way.
Misleading unbalanced news where the facts are scuttled is how biases are formed and terrible extremes of reaction arise.
Pathetic ignorant editorial. You are so locked into your 'orthodox liberal' way of seeing things that you can't recognise truths when they stare you in the face. You write this article as if Orban is a dictator - he was democratically elected, and his main democratic challenge is from the party who are genuinely xenophobic and extreme. Many Hungarians support his stance, and with good reason:
- these syrians are mostly young strong men - they should be at home fighting for their country. Or does the guardian think it is better that young working-class british and us soldiers do it for them?
-this refugee situation was caused by Britain, France and the US predominantly by actions in Iraq and Syria, aswell as their historical actions in that part of the world. They are the richest countries in Europe/world, and yet have done nothing.
-Hungary is a small country with real poverty to deal with amongst its own people. the refugees are not coming to Hungary to be there - they don't want to be there - they want to pass through, and it was the Austrians and Germans who insisted that the Dublin regulations must be kept to, until a sudden change of mind. In he meantime, the Syrians in Budapest refused to get registered. (Yes the camps in Hungary Im am sure are not pleasant, but add I said before, there are many Hungarians living in dire poverty.) Meanwhile the rich western nations that caused the problem do nothing, except now Germany and Austria at last.
-Finally, Guardian, it is easy for a powerful country like Britain, with a colonial history, to dismiss the impact of the countless foreign powers that Hungarians have themselves had to fight against to protect their land. You are clueless about what it means to be in this situation, and it's long-term impact.
People in Hungary are not 'fleeing war zones'. There is no war in Hungary. The refugees in Hungary have already fled a war zone and are now attempting to illegally jump the queue rather than apply for asylum in the recognised fashion.
Keep up the good work, Guardian. Your efforts to belittle or condemn anyone who has serious concerns about the hundreds of thousands/millions of (mostly Muslim) migrants pouring into Europe are only pushing more people to the right.
Hungary are the only state to follow EU protocol unlike germany breaking EU agreements then trying to force these non agreed changes onto the member states its about time we stood up to merkel .
We will thank the hugarians in the future for having the cojones to stop this dictatorial behaviour when our own people suffer chronic housing shortages/ foodbanks and austerity cuts. The safest is to have safe havens in the middle east for these migrants.
What utter drivel!! The most ignorant and prejudiced article that I believe that I have had the misfortune to read in this publication.